Salut Legoman (j'aime bien ton pseudo ahah )
C'est trop trop bien merci beaucoup !
ça prend forme, super travail !
Je n'y connais pas grand chose en modélisation 3D mais bien évidemment je suis prêt à t'aider si besoin.
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Salut Legoman (j'aime bien ton pseudo ahah )
C'est trop trop bien merci beaucoup !
ça prend forme, super travail !
Je n'y connais pas grand chose en modélisation 3D mais bien évidemment je suis prêt à t'aider si besoin.
Hi Everyone.
I suggest to add another krokodile to the collection ! We already have the Swiss, German and Austrian ones, let's take a look at the French ones
(already posted on TpF1 forum, II'll take my chances here. )
The French "crocodiles" were built during the 1950s, in 4 different series. 2 variants of the Bo'Bo' and 2 variants of the Co'Co'. All of them were used to replace steam trains in northern France.
The first ones were faster, for passagers and freigth services, whereas the Co'Co' were slower, for heavy freight trains. they were withdraw in the 1990s.
My favourite one is the BB 12000, a Bo'Bo' one
It's an electrical lok for both freight and passengers. It was mostly used in northern France, on duty for the electrification of the lines. But it was also used in Switzerland (on the Paris-Vallorbe line), and in Luxembourg, since the CFL bought 20 of this series (the 3600 series in Luxembourg). It was first introduced in 1954 and finally retired in 2000.The SNCF bought 148 of them. It was a quite powerful and efficient lok for local trains and fast freight. they could pull 1756 tonnes trains on a 10 ‰ grade and 2885 tonnes trains on a 5 ‰ grade.
General specification :
Name | BB 12 000 | BB 13 000 | CC 14 000 | CC 14 100 |
Type | e-lok | e-lok | e-lok | e-lok |
Configuration | Bo'Bo' | Bo'Bo' | Co'Co' | Co'Co' |
Max. Speed | 120-140 km/h (then reduced to 120) | 105/120 km/h | 60 km/h | 60 km/h 6 |
Weight | 83,4-85,6 t (depend on the model) | 85 t | 125 t | 127 t |
lenght | 15,2 meters | 15,2 meters | 18,890 m. | 18,890 m. |
Power | 2 470 kW | 2005/2134 kW | 2640 kW | 1860 kW |
Traction | 240 kn | ? (the same probably) | ? (did not find but powerful ) | ? the same |
Year | 1954-2000 | 1954-1994 | 1954-1981 | 1954-1997 |
Country | France, Switzerland, Luxembourg | France | France | France |
Type | fast freight and passager | fast freight and passagers | heavy freight | heavy freight |
Some technical informations :
(in mm) | BB 12 000 | CC 14 000 |
Total lenght | 15 200 | 18 890 |
chassis | 14 010 | 17 700 |
width | 2900 | 2900 |
Wheel diameter | 1250 | 1100 |
height | 3695 | 3695 |
There are 5 different livery for the BB 12000 : the blue one (in the 1950s), the blue one with yellow marks, the green livery, the green livery with yellow marks (from the end of the 1950s ?) + the CFL version. I did not find more information about the repainting.
Here you can find many pictures on a French forum : http://forum.e-train.fr/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=73659
About the BB 12000
You can find more informations there :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB_12000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Class_BB_12000
The BB 13000 had the same exterior look, the differences were purely technical.
technical drawings :
http://ty.herge.free.fr/perso/BB12001.jpg
https://gibitrains.pagesperso-…o/12000-plan-lr-600px.png
Some pictures :
https://www.bahnbilder.de/1024…9krokodil-sncf-662785.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YC0_…dent+prochain+service.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/…13850894_d4c795b289_b.jpg
https://petittrain.pagesperso-…os_locos/Bb13000_vrai.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GTDL…600/12144-4Thionville.jpg
For more details :
https://i.skyrock.net/9649/105…cs/1942972883_small_1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/w…Nouvion-sur-Meuse_-_3.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dv73…+Le+poste+de+conduite.JPG
https://i.skyrock.net/8017/3488017/pics/39156998_small.jpg
The 3600 serie :
http://www.nicospilt.com/scans/CFL-3600.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFL_Class_3600
The CC 14000 series
(the CC 14000 and 14100 look quite the same)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_CC_14000 (with some pictures)
The technical drawing can be found there : https://gibitrains.pagesperso-…00-plan-lr-1127-600px.png
I would be glad if someone finds the time and dedicated to this train.
thanks
GlandalfMcNevis
Hi Everyone.
I suggest to add another krokodile to the collection ! We already have the Swiss, German and Austrian ones, let's take a look at the French ones
The French "crocodiles" were built during the 1950s, in 4 different series. 2 variants of the Bo'Bo' and 2 variants of the Co'Co'. All of them were used to replace steam trains in northern France.
The first ones were faster, for passagers and freigth services, whereas the Co'Co' were slower, for heavy freight trains. they were withdraw in the 1990s.
My favourite one is the BB 12000, a Bo'Bo' one
It's an electrical lok for both freight and passengers. It was mostly used in northern France, on duty for the electrification of the lines. But it was also used in Switzerland (on the Paris-Vallorbe line), and in Luxembourg, since the CFL bought 20 of this series (the 3600 series in Luxembourg). It was first introduced in 1954 and finally retired in 2000.The SNCF bought 148 of them. It was a quite powerful and efficient lok for local trains and fast freight. they could pull 1756 tonnes trains on a 10 ‰ grade and 2885 tonnes trains on a 5 ‰ grade.
General specification :
Name | BB 12000 | BB 13000 | CC 14000 | CC 14100 |
type | e-lok | e-lok | e-lok | e-lok |
Configuration | Bo'Bo' | Bo'Bo' | Co'Co' | Co'Co' |
Maximum speed | 120-140 km/h(then reduced to 120) | 105/120 km/h | 60 km/h | 60 km/h |
Weight | 83,4-85,6 t (depend on the model) | 85 t | 125 t | 127 t |
lenght | 15,2 meters | 15, 2 m | 18,890 | 18,890 |
Power | 2 470 kW | 2005/2134 kW | 2640 kW | 1860 kW |
Traction | 240 Kn | ? (the same ?) | ? (but powerful ) | ? |
Year | 1954-2000 | 1954-1994 | 1954-1981 | 1954-1997 |
Country | France, Switzerland, Luxembourg | France | France | France |
Type | fast freight and passager | fast freight and passagers | heavy freight | heavy freight |
Some technical informations :
(in mm) | BB 12000 | CC 14000 |
total lenght | 15 200 | 18 890 |
chassis | 14 010 | 17 700 |
width | 2900 | 2900 |
Wheel diameter | 1250 | 1100 |
height | 3695 | 3695 |
There are 5 different livery for the BB 12000 : the blue one (in the 1950s), the blue one with yellow marks, the green livery, the green livery with yellow marks (from the end of the 1950s ?) + the CFL version. I did not find more information about the repainting.
Here you can find many pictures on a French forum : http://forum.e-train.fr/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=73659
About the BB 12000
You can find more informations there :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB_12000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Class_BB_12000
The BB 13000 had the same exterior look, the differences were purely technical.
technical drawings :
http://ty.herge.free.fr/perso/BB12001.jpg
https://gibitrains.pagesperso-…o/12000-plan-lr-600px.png
Some pictures :
https://www.bahnbilder.de/1024…9krokodil-sncf-662785.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YC0_…dent+prochain+service.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/…13850894_d4c795b289_b.jpg
https://petittrain.pagesperso-…os_locos/Bb13000_vrai.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GTDL…600/12144-4Thionville.jpg
For more details :
https://i.skyrock.net/9649/105…cs/1942972883_small_1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/w…Nouvion-sur-Meuse_-_3.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dv73…+Le+poste+de+conduite.JPG
https://i.skyrock.net/8017/3488017/pics/39156998_small.jpg
The 3600 serie :
http://www.nicospilt.com/scans/CFL-3600.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFL_Class_3600
The CC 14000 series
(the CC 14000 and 14100 look quite the same)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_CC_14000 (with some pictures)
The technical drawing can be found there : https://gibitrains.pagesperso-…00-plan-lr-1127-600px.png
I would be glad if someone finds the time and dedicated to this train.
thanks
GlandalfMcNevis
Hi,
you're welcome
I checked it, and I have both in my game, with the two mods. Maybe try to launch a new game, with only the Post Mod and the New Industry mod !
thanks, I still make a few mistakes in English
You're welcome !
Hi,
Sorry I don't speak German.
For what I know (I saw it in the comments of Nown's Post mod) the two mods are compatible, but you should implement both in a new game and put first Nown's Post Mod and then New Industry mod. It seems you made the opposite. I tried it and the game launched correctly. But I did not played the game so I don't know anything about the stability ingame.
Hope it is useful for you,
Glandalf