Beiträge von Cadoras

Fantastic! This is exactly what is needed: small industrial loco's for the later period. I love it.

These look fantastic. Glad to see Wohlstsandskind coming out his sabbatical!

OK. Seems we found our man for questions about farbgebung. Especially the Länderbahn is very, very difficult to ascertain. You, good sir, are marked.

It already looks fantastic.

Fantastic!

Zitat von MaikC

Licaon = Woman

What? That can't be. Not only is this a computer game, it's modding... I've heard of females playing videogames, but trainsims and a modder as well? My head's going to explode. I feel like one of the customers in the comicbook store when Penny walks in.

My apologies Licaon.

Licaon, you rat bast... Almost done and now he comes up with new reference pictures...

Just kidding! Thanks man, I was now able to solve some questions remaining with some of the painting choices (rauchkammertür, cilinders, triebwerk and several other parts).

The latest version with messing and other changes:

I know, but the only reference pictures I've got are modeltrains (of course), on which all similar parts are made off messing, even the "triebwerk". All the other referencepictures (later models, kkStB and BBÖ) show them as grey/silver or even black. So I had to make choice: or follow the referencemodel entirely or make some judgement calls to balance it out. When I changed some parts to "messing", it quickly looked quite bling-bling - this locomotive is quite "loud" as it is.

But I see if I can post a picture of the "messing" version. Then it's up to our Modfather ( ) which version he wants.

Zitat von MaikC

Da an der Kante sieht es aus als wenn die schwarz wäre, hätte gedacht das müsste da auch rot sein.

Sigh. I misunderstood. The frontside of the outerframe turned out to be green... There were several other details that needed my attention. Here's whats up now:

Edit: It may still look dark, but it's actually red now. The darkness is caused by shadow.

Zitat von MaikC

KEBIV also looking good, but i see some small issues, numbers are mirrored and the red frame is not red on all sides if i see this right. Near the cylinders i can so the side is black.

As mentioned by Franzl, the numbers will be corrected - I don't quite understand what problem there could be with the frame (you can speak German if you like, I fully understand German - but writing German is something different).

EDIT:
@MaikC: if you mean behind the "outer frame" and wheels (internal frame, for a lack of better term), then you're correct - but as far as I have seen that's supposed to be the right color. See the attachment. If anyone can provide pictures that it should be different, please do - I'll correct it asap.

Yes, I'll pm my mail for the files.

And here my impression of a "DRG" version of the Austrian Ci. Unfortunately there's not a lot (almost nothing) to go on, but we have to presume
that a number of these wagons were redecorated in the DRG-theme - if not complete, at least for a part. I've based my repaint on this model.

Zitat von YstlDystl

Well, I think the first one looks better, but maybe it's just because I'm used to seeing the "Nichtraucher"-sign in the center.

I have one question, do you still have the bathroom window (frosted white in the middle) on both sides? Because the currently uploaded version (no, I still haven't updated the webdisk entry) only has the bathroom window on the right side...

Only the right side? I'm gonna check it out. If so, aint that the right way the go? The bathroom isn't supposed to encompass the entire width of the coach does it?

Zitat von YstlDystl

Well, I think the first one looks better, but maybe it's just because I'm used to seeing the "Nichtraucher"-sign in the center.

Perhaps if I use the second skin, only with the "Nichtraucher" sign moved to the middle?

Thank you for the lettering (and base color), that saves a lot of time spent otherwise for research. I've run into a pickle though:
Your template was based on this model, but ingame (see first attached picture) it doesn't look quite right. Almost to simple?

In my head it would seem that most wagons from 1938 till 1950/53 would be an amalgam of DRG and (late) BBÖ styles. Further-
more, as far as I can tell from historic pictures from similar coaches - pick 10 of the same type and you would easily encounter
several differences.

To try to make a realistic approach to a post-war Austrian Ci, I tried to simulate the template as used on this model, and created
the repaint as shown in the second picture. It depicts roughly the same parts, but contains class designation and mark of ownership.
Although it still shows the "BBÖ" mark, I believe its still an accurate post-war OeBB skin I believe, because I sincerely doubt the OeBB
went about repainting all Ci's, because they were already rebuilt/reshaped from 1950 on.

Thoughts? Anyone?

It looks fantastic. It really does. Even unpainted.

Indeed. Some compromises must be made to make it work well ingame. Call it freedom of artistic expression. Otherwise you'd have to make a separate model for each variant. For locomotives of that period that's about a new model for each 5 years of it's lifespan. In those early years they constantly fiddled with the configurations.

Technically it could be done, but man... the hours of work...

Nice. I like it. But shouldn't it be available since 1860? With that date it would be a very early
(European) 2-B locomotive, which is nice.

Why not both? You've already got an almost completely finished model of the SB 29. @MaikC already offered his services for that particular model. I think that quite a lot of people would fancy that particular model, because it is a well known locomotive. As an evolution of that model you could put out the kkStB 47 - a little bit more expensive, but a little bit more powerful. Furthermore, that one could get really nice skins:

The original Scheme of the Kaiserin Elisabeth Bahn (KEB) (1867-1886), and of course the kkStB (1886-1923), BBÖ (1923-1938), FS, DRG and ÖBB skins.
If you would make the kkStB 47, I am prepared to make the KEB and kkStB skins, and perhaps (if I've got the time) the other ones too.

An efficient choice. That would surely allow "skinners" to make one historically accurate texture (the GKB-version judging by the reference picture). But if you want to know "was man so alles aus meinen Modellen rausholen könnte", you will be posing restrictions for any other paintscheme then the GKB-version. If I'm not mistaken, this locomotive was used by quite a few railcompanies:

- Südbahngesellschaft (1860-1923)
- BBÖ (1923-1938, as BBÖ 49)
- Yugoslavia (JDZ 124, 1923-19??)
- Hungary (MAV 332, 1923-19??)
- Italy (FS 193, 1923-1928/30)
- DRG (Br 53.71, 1938-1945)
- ÖBB (1945-1953 as ÖBB 153)
- GKB (1924 - till today, technically)

It is possible (to say very likely) that many of them applied their own paintscheme and letteringthemes. As such, if you would mirror the sides of the cabin and tender - it would be (very) difficult to create those repaints accurately. The best way, if I may be so arrogant to presume, would be to map all sides separately. Number- and/or nameshields can be edited/created in a normalmap, to create the illusion of a 3D-shield - it saves polygons without compromising the looks.

I know the community's attention is mainly fixed on (far more) modern material, so the chance any of the other skinners would like to do such repaints are relatively small. I personally would be intrigued to try some of them, but due to reallife endeavours I can't promise anything.

To emphasise: I'm not criticising - I can't and have never mapped myself, and as I understand it, it is lot of work. Combine that with the possibility that not many repaints could follow, it might be that it could be a lot of work for nothing.

If I may point out: are both sides of the cabin accounted for or is only one side mirrored for both parts?
I can see two parts that resemble the sides of the cabin, but they are facing the same way and one part
is quite smaller then the other - but I guess that's an inside an a outside?

I'm asking this because when you're mirroring parts (especially parts that normally bear numbers or text),
the texture will mirror as well.

I've changed the modelfiles a bit: it will be available between 1918 and 1938. To my knowledge the BBÖ was founded in 1923, 5 years after the end of the Great War. I've changed it to 1918 however to fill the gap with the kkStB retexture (available 1895-1918). Possible DRG versions wil come between 1938-1945 and post war (like ÖeBB and CSD) 1945-1955. At least, that's what I'd do.