Beiträge von Cadoras

@YstlDystl: I've finished the "original" texture.

That's fine, thank you!

Edit by Merk: Removed quote of previous post.

YstlDystl: I will retexture the original and send you the files - provided that you'll send me an e-mailadress (via conversation), so you can incorporate it into your files. And of course: if you send me the psd of the ELK I'll see what I can do - send a picture of which skin you desire.

Licaon: NP, I can get every color a man/woman could possibly want: I only need reference. That leaves me one question:

Can you (or anyone) for that matter post referencematerial for other variants of this particular car? I've already got the
(darkgreen) CSD-version on page nr. 2, are there any more? If so, I'll make a pack.

It does, the waggon looks like it has been a bit bleached by exposure to the elements. In that case the "true" color must be more saturated. My color at this moment is a bit grey.

How about this? This is as close as I can get to the color in the picture. I've added a cropped screenshot of the texture to prove how close the texture color resembles the real deal.

By the way, YstlDystl - don't beat yourself up about the textures. I couldn't model if threatened with a loaded gun or David Hasselhoff. That aside, I would like to thank you for the mapping. Gladly you've mapped each part of the train separately and give it a base skin. I know that takes a heck of a lot more time than doing it the easy way, but to skinners like me its pricesless. That means I can do whatever I want: No problems with mirrored texts and so on. That's worth a lot.

So, how about this. For reference and the way it looks in shadow I've added an "action" shot.

EDIT: It's still not as bright as the example, but the picture of the example is quite overexposed by sunlight and when picking that tone, it looks almost glowing ingame. We have to find some balance between example and what looks good ingame.

Zitat von Licaon

Like many other KkStB cars it had a wooden body with outside panelling made of sheet metal.

In my opinion the KkStB version you made is a bit too dark .... I don't know if this is right.... as far as I know the cars were a little bit brighter back then, the colour was "moss green" - at least in times of BBOe starting 1920. During WWII some of them were painted "bottle green" to match the other Reichsbahn fleet, but some stayed in moss green paint.Dark versions were later on in the 50's at CSD and OeBB with "fir green".

I see, do you perhaps have some kind of reference picture where I can "steal" the color from? The more brighter earlier color that is.

It would seem that the one pictured (the CSD-version) differs from the kkStB/BBÖ-version. The CSD has those "lines" to either side of the windows, which the BBÖ doesn't have. It would seem that the neither version has the "planklike" texture. The CSD-version however doesn't show the metalstrips as seen in my screenshot, which are present on the BBÖ-version.

I'll try that one. Brb

I've themed it to the earliest phase (the kkStB phase), although I had to fiddle around with the color to make it seem realistic and nice ingame at the same time. With this game you can never translate reallife colors (like RAL-codes) straight into the game - it never works. Next thing I have done is adding a normal map, with metal strips and a slight planklike texture. If you take a real close look at the picture it looks like it has body of planks. I don't know if it's historically accurate, but it just looks right I guess.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, I've added doors (texturewise) and changed the windows a bit.

I really like this project! Do you allow repaints (of course with due credit of course)?

Although the 47 is indeed a beautiful locomotive, doesn't it stack with the already vanilla made BR 53 (Pr. G3)?
Perhaps something like this could be more novel: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi…6/Licaon_in_Strasshof.jpg

In general, during modding, I prefer to listen to bits from U.N.K.L.E.:

http://<woltlab-metacode-marker data-name="media" data-uuid="2eb991df-bf40-474b-b88a-dada6a0486e3" data-source="W21lZGlhXQ==" />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUtK6lvTO8<woltlab-metacode-marker data-uuid="2eb991df-bf40-474b-b88a-dada6a0486e3" data-source="Wy9tZWRpYV0=" />

Looks like one of the so-called "Art Deco" streamlined steamlocomotives.

The colorscheme of the K.P.E.V. (like any "Länderbahn") has been subject of much debate. Most of the time they conclude that it will never be know what colorscheme was used at which time.
But which colorscheme to pick? There's not one (fully) correct answer, first we have to look at history:

In total 1027 S3's were built between 1893 and 1904. Altough the S3 was a proper locomotive: reliable and "leistungsfähig", already at the turn of the century the locomotives couldn't keep up with the rapidly developping railways. In the DRG-renumberingplan of 1923 still 458 could count on a DRG-number (13 001 - 13 458), but in the final renumberingplan 1925 only 28 remained.
Two years later the last one (13 011) disappeared. That means that in a timespan of only 23-34 years all locomotives were rendered obsolete.

Some S3's however survived very long: after the Great War about 100 locomotives had to be given away due to "Reperationsleistungen", such in accordance with the treaty of Versailles. As far as I know 92 of them remained in Poland and 6 in Lithuania. There were probably more, but those are not accounted for and probably were among the locomotives classified as "M.I.A." during the Great War. Some of these "banned" locomotives returned in German hands during WW II, a staggering total of 37 to be precise (34 out of Poland, one out of Lithuania and 2 were captured during the "Russlandfeldzug"). Most of these locomotives even "survived" the war and had to be given back to their former owners (post-Versailles of course). The last ones were returned to Poland in 1955, who (most probably) almost immediately had them scrapped.

To put that into perspective: the oldest locomotive among the last to be scrapped was 13 005, which was built in 1897. That means the locomotive almost lasted 60 years. However, it stands to reason to assume the S3's didn't see much in action during the war or beyond it.

So, that's history. But which livery to choose? Well, rather suprisingly you have 6 liveries to choose from!

The first one is the traditional K.P.E.V. livery as used until (appr. 1900): http://www.osterthun.com/2.Static/Xtra2/R69302-RvS.JPG
The picture depicts a model of the Prussian P 4.2, or later known as the DRG BR 36.0

The second one is the K.P.E.V. livery used between 1900-1923: http://www.osterthun.com/2.Static/Xtra2/F4898N.jpg
The picture depicts a model of the Prussian S6, or later known as the DRG BR 13.10

The third one is hypothetical. Many of the locomotives that were renumbered, never got the DRG-black/red livery, because they were
put out of service shortly after being renumbered. So many Landerbähn-locomotives wore there new number, although still wearing their
Landerbähn-livery. More to the point, in 1925/1926 the DRG was still discussing the subject of the colors to use. It seems reasonable
to assume that the DRG S3's of 1925/1927 never got to were their black suit, but carried their old livery with DRG-number. In that case
they would've worn there post-1900 KPEV-livery with a DRG number. An example of this livery is one of the first BR 01.0 ever built, the
01 002, which was built in 1926. : http://www.osterthun.com/2.Static~MiMe/02201H-Lv.jpg

The fourth one is the well-known DRG-livery, black and red. That being said: it is safe to assume this livery was only worn by the locomotives
that returned into service after 1940.

The fifth one is the Polish livery. I do not have evidence the Polish did paint the S3's in their one colors, but it stands to reason that they were:
the Polish properly used them during 1918-1940 and in 1940 even 34 were "recaptured" by the Germans. If they used a livery, it would probably
look like the locomotive in the following picture: http://www.osterthun.com/2.Static/Xtra4/F411301-Ls.JPG
The picture depicts a Prussian S4 (DRG 13.5) in Polish service.

The sixth one is a hypothetical Lithuanian livery. Only 6 are known to have served there and I do not known if they bothered to repaint them.
Although I'm not an expert on the matter, it seems that the Lithuanian livery was somewhat similar to the Polish one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi…ns/c/cb/Tk_locomotive.jpg
Perhaps an expert could chime in on this one.

But wait there's more!

Prussia was not the only one to order the S3: the Alsace-Lorraine Railways bought 40 locomotives, identical in design and the "Großherzoglich
Oldenburgischen Staatseisenbahnen" bought 6 locomotives with slightly altered wheelbase (and other slightly altered details). So technically
spoken one could even incorporate 2 more liveries.

The 7th livery, the AL-livery: http://trainalsace.pagesperso-orange.fr/reseau/Hofmuhl05.jpg
As far as I know the AL-liveries were traditional all-black, aside from the bufferstand. The picture shows a version of the S3.

The 8th livery remains a mystery: The Oldenburg one. I don't know if the Oldenburgs had an own distinct livery, but perhaps
somebody else could chime in!

But you could do this: if you would make a psd-template (with a wireframe-layer) along with the standard download, like
some other contributors did, the community could help you with skinning them. I would certainly be prepared to do so. Better
still, I would be prepared to deliver 7 of the 8 mentioned liveries - 8 if somebody could tell me what the Oldenburgs bloody
looked like.

This locomotive deserves all the awesomeness it can get.

To my knowledge: all Bay. A5's were built with "Torffeuerung" to begin with. As far as I know all of them begun with "Torffeuerung" and ended with it. The last one, the "Kufstein" kept it's "Torffeuerung" till its dying day (1902). To summarize: I believe that none of the A5's had anything different then "Torffeuerung".

You can answer in German - I'm Dutch and understand German perfectly. But my mastery of the written German language is so poor, that using it is to rape it.

Perhaps I can be of some assistance:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2dccy7d.jpg

And a picture of the real deal for reference?

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2h3o50x.jpg

Picture taken in Centralwerkstätte München, during an inspection (Untersuchung), probably between 1880 and 1890.

Note that there are slight differences between the drawing and the real picture. These steamers have been changed many
times during their lifespan (1853-1902). The "Kufstein" (last picture I've added) started out life without a cabin, with an open
tender and without a "Dampfdom" (don't know the English word for it) - and those are only the most visible changes during it's
life from 20-07-1854 till 13-06-1902 (!). I believe it was (one of) the last German 1-A-1 locomotives in active service.

Edit Goya: Removed embedding of external images (->Link). Also merged triplepost. Please be aware of the edit-function.

Fantastic - the game lacks cheap little shunters.

Love the VT 137! Are repaints (with the obvious credits) allowed?

EDIT: Damn and blast, missed the earlier posts...

Although I usually don't partake in these discussions, I do so now. Stepke is Lord & Commander on all things concerning his mods. He made it clear that free repaints are not allowed - that's the end of it.

I must however point out that his policy has a flaw: it depends on the moral highground of the ones that download his mod. Although I can't really discern any rotten skinners in this community, rest assured there will be at some point. What will you do as the 1st unauthorized skin turns up? Most of the time it costs a lot of negative energy and ultimately will lead to draconic measures (for example the DRM-mod from Rfactor). The majority will ultimately be punished for transgressions made by a few knuckleheads.

Wouldn't it be more easy and funny if repainters could ask a seal of approval?

[Blockierte Grafik: http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qj994y.jpg]

However his mod is his baby, and he's not obliged in any way to grant carte blanche to skinners. I'd advise restraint, because it'll save so much discussion and headache, but that's my take on it. I wouldn't be really annoyed if someone would make a crappy skin of my model, because better part of the community would recognize it as such. Especially with the much coveted "Stepke Seal of Approval".

But no need to heed my words bro. Just keep on truckin' and keep flicking out those awesome East-German bangers!